Horror

Jun. 19th, 2009 10:13 am
pandora_parrot: (angst)
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Her parents got into a horrible car crash. Her father died, and her mother lost an arm.

There was a trial. At the trial, one of the lawyers outed her as a trans woman.

The town she lived in was... somewhat less than supportive. They threatened her and her mother with death threats.

Yesterday, at 2pm, she was kidnapped, gang raped, bludgeoned with a sledgehammer, and buried alive.

She managed to crawl out of her grave and find help, but died in ICU last night.

All this for being transgender...

Details are scant, but here's where I heard about this.

I'm hoping this turns out to be a fake story, but honestly... I wouldn't be surprised at all if this were real.

EDIT: This looks like a hoax. Read here

Date: 2009-06-19 05:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maestrodog.livejournal.com
It's been years, but I still experience shock and sadness whenever I think of Gwen Arujo.

Date: 2009-06-19 05:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uncledark.livejournal.com
That's horrible.

I can't find any stories in news feeds corresponding to the details given in the article you linked. 'Course, my Google Fu is not the greatest.

Date: 2009-06-19 06:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maestrodog.livejournal.com
Maybe you can try bing?

Date: 2009-06-19 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uncledark.livejournal.com
Did, and no joy. Just a link to the same blog entry.

Date: 2009-06-19 06:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snakey.livejournal.com
Every time I read that, I have to fight not to start crying.

Date: 2009-06-19 06:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jmkelly.livejournal.com
I can't find anything in the news either, but the similarity to Gwen Araujo's murder makes me suspect it's a true story.

The story appears with less detail here (http://www.lauras-playground.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=8583&view=findpost&p=80246).

Date: 2009-06-19 06:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dv-girl.livejournal.com
Or Brandon Teena or Matthew Sheppard.

Date: 2009-06-19 06:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paradox-puree.livejournal.com
That sort of mentality is damned ubiquitous out there...

Date: 2009-06-19 11:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mayamaia.livejournal.com
It's really getting to me how other people are trying to label it a hoax.

If it is, I will be surprised.

If it's not, ....they're pissing me off either way, honestly.

Date: 2009-06-19 11:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paradox-puree.livejournal.com
Honestly, the story reads really strangely... The first indication of this person's death is through a friend on her forum, with an incredible amount of detail? It's odd. How did this person get this information? Why hasn't there been anything in the news? Why does it appear that there's only a single source for this information?

Assuming the story is real, there's definitely something strange going on that the rest of us aren't privy to. And it's that oddness that is setting off the skeptic in me and others. I'm sure the information will come out over the next few days, though...

Date: 2009-06-20 12:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uncledark.livejournal.com
Personally, I'm not trying to label it a hoax. Excepting the wish that someone, somewhere, did not suffer a brutal and horrifying death, I have no personal interest in proving the story false.

I've just seen too many "OMG! Horror! Call to arms!" kind of urban legends, and that sort of thing makes the true stories seem less credible.

Date: 2009-06-19 06:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] regalpewter.livejournal.com
I need a news story to link from on this to keep spreading it.
It also confirms my feelings that I will keep my firearms (and keep current on training) no matter what.
G_d, I hope that it is false as well, but am fearful that it may be true as well.
YIS,
WRI

Date: 2009-06-19 07:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maradydd.livejournal.com
One other thing you could do, in addition to keeping your firearms and keeping up on your training, is help introduce a non-shooter to firearm self-defense, if the opportunity arises. :)

Date: 2009-06-19 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] regalpewter.livejournal.com
Always welcome anyone who wants to learn. And if you are not local, I can recommend several good places to start. BTW, NRA is offering free memberships right now on their website.
Also am working to put together a presentation on 'hard targeting' one's self for a local group.
YIS,
WRI

Date: 2009-06-19 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maradydd.livejournal.com
*high-fives*

I live in Belgium now, so I no longer have my handgun, but as soon as it's financially reasonable to do so, I plan to get a rifle, as those are legal here. :)

I bet Joyce would be a kickass pistol shooter.

Date: 2009-06-19 11:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] regalpewter.livejournal.com
Check out pinkpistols.org They even talk about starting local chapters.
YIS,
WRI

Date: 2009-06-19 07:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fabmadamj.livejournal.com
It's too disturbing for it not to be real. It's days like this I feel lucky to look like an effin' linebacker with bows in my hair.

Date: 2009-06-19 07:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pazi-ashfeather.livejournal.com
There are days when passing issues don't feel entirely like a bad thing, sad to say. :\

(Also when you're with someone who passes remarkably well, and the two of you get read as a het couple instead.)

Date: 2009-06-19 08:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drewkitty.livejournal.com
I am neither shocked nor disgusted by what people do to people any more.

As a lifelong student of crime and violence but also of social ecology, this reads like a combination of memes.

The victim's behavior does not make sense. 1200 the PD leaves. 1400 she rides a bicycle to the store? Alone? I somehow seriously doubt it.

Other scene details do not ring true. Bike in a dumpster? Doubtful, as the trash is the first place to look, not to mention prints on the bicycle. Burying alive is not all that common as someone typically kills the victim (blow to the head, smothering, etc) out of disgust from the crime just committed.

The presence or lack of body evidence (bruises, hammer marks, semen, indignities inflicted, etc.) would be very closely held by the police, as this can be used as an important detail for suspect interrogation. It also takes time to conduct this level of data collection. Even little details such as "crawled for 3 hours" require technical collaboration of a type unlikely to be provided so quickly. Distinguishing between types of blunt objects is a nontrivial detail, and a sledge breaks bones rather than leaving bruises.

Given the likelihood of death as described, I would expect homicide detectives to be very strident in pursuing any deathbed information from the victim. This is a particularly grisly part of homicide investigation, as one is essentially berating a person (often with a doctor's help and with very careful use of stimulant drugs) who knows that they are about to die in the hopes of getting something from them that will help identify their killers.

The police would not reveal any theories regarding "kids from a nearby school" as descending by surprise and in force on the school is an honored tactic in this type of investigation. Pulling suspects out of class and sweating them gives a huge advantage that is not surrendered lightly.

A Google News search for "New York transgender murder" gives 183 hits with no recent incidents. A search for "transgender murder" gives 321 hits with no matching incidents in the first twenty-odd. Only 43 hits for "transgender rape."

I am sadly familiar with the phenomenon that the murder of a transgender person, particularly one labeled as a prostitute, is sometimes not considered newsworthy. However, in today's "it bleeds, it leads" news culture, a murder with these kind of lurid details would garner at least some media attention.

This is an eight months later news story regarding a transgender murder in Sacramento. Note lack of details: http://www.ebar.com/news/article.php?sec=news&article=3987

It is still tragic that such things happen. I don't think I buy this one, however.

Date: 2009-06-19 10:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paradox-puree.livejournal.com
It's definitely pushing my "urban legend" buttons as well, for pretty much all of the reasons you listed. There's something weird about this story, and I'm not sure we're getting a full tale just yet.

Date: 2009-06-19 08:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] troublesturm.livejournal.com
More info:
http://www.lauras-playground.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=8583&st=0&start=0

I still am finding nothing in the news about this. It apparently happened on the 17th.

Something about this triggered my "Urban Legend" filter, but I'm not sure. I hope it isn't true, but really just want to know the truth.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&num=100&q=raychel+roo+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.lauras-playground.com%2F&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

At least it looks like Raychel was a contributer to a chat forum, on Laura's Playground, but I don't find her name when I search the site, except for the story linked above. Is the chat room she helped moderate located at a different web site? There are people posting as if they knew her and corresponded with her, but I'm finding nothing else on that site.Is the site using robots.txt to keep most of the posts unsearchable for Google? that wouldn't be a bad thing, because the discussions may contain information that shouldn't be easily discovered, but it does make confirming the story difficult.

I'll keep searching...

Date: 2009-06-19 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] terry-terrible.livejournal.com
This person on youtube says that the family is keeping the information secret for their own safety?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3vOCA-EQRY

The mystery deepens.

Date: 2009-06-19 11:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] regalpewter.livejournal.com
One of the other Teen Moderators on the above mentioned board.
Or so she states.
YIS,
WRI

Date: 2009-06-19 11:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] terry-terrible.livejournal.com
*whispers* That's a trans dude.

Date: 2009-06-19 11:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paradox-puree.livejournal.com
HIs name is James, from his profile.

Date: 2009-06-20 06:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] regalpewter.livejournal.com
Oops my bad.....
Didn't dig far enough.
YIS,
WRI

Date: 2009-06-19 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paradox-puree.livejournal.com
So how did he get that information? Where is this data coming from?

Date: 2009-06-19 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paradox-puree.livejournal.com
Someone on the site indicated that Roo had edited their coming out letter, so Roo's existence appears to be somewhat legit, at least.
Edited Date: 2009-06-19 10:02 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-06-19 11:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] troublesturm.livejournal.com
Whether it is true or not, the fact is that hateful people want the queer community to be afraid.

Prepared is better than scared. Fear will keep transgendered and genderqueer and genderfluidity from being seen or accepted.

Hate comes from fear and ignorance. It is hard to fear people you know, and it is hard to hate people you know.

You are all beautiful people. Don't let fear keep you from being proud of who you are.

Gay rights are now accepted as much as they are because of the transgendered and similar folks who held their ground at the Stonewall riots. These are the people who the Pride festivals are held to celebrate.

Tell yourselves how beautiful you are. Support each other. It is important to not let these acts of gender-terrorism succeed in terrorizing you. Remind yourselves and each other that you are lovely, lovable, and loved. Commit a few random acts of kindness, to try to offset the fear this creates.

If this story is true, mourn her. If it is false, remember all the others who have been victimized. But don't let fear win.

love yourselves.

Date: 2009-06-20 12:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sunlightlotus.livejournal.com
I have to say, there is one essential part of this that screams fake... its that her parents were in the car accident just last month (which would have to be May), and there's already a trial about it???? Our justice system is just not that fast. Plus no news stories.

So Im hoping that its fake, if only because its so horrible otherwise.

Date: 2009-06-20 12:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sunlightlotus.livejournal.com
Also, you could always try the people over at fake_lj_deaths community.. (there is a link from my user profile, i dont know how to post).. they are pretty good with researching deaths to see if they are legit or not or providing info...

Date: 2009-06-20 01:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paradox-puree.livejournal.com
I caught that as well... That's a surprisingly short length from incident to trial. Unless it wasn't actually a trial, but some sort of filing?

This story is really weird, and is getting weirder by the minute.

Date: 2009-06-20 01:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sunlightlotus.livejournal.com
Yeah, if it was just an indictment.. but then, I dont understand why there would be a need for any person information at all. Why is the family of the victims even being mentioned? Indictments are just basically, "is it possible this person could have committed the crime"... of course that's a criminal case so maybe this was a civil case...

maybe it was to get money right away to pay for funeral and medical expenses? That's all I can figure. But if that had happened to someone close to me I dont think I'd be able to get past my grief long enough to pursue it.

I still hope hope hope this is a fake. Its so horrid. I have to say, the image of someone being buried alive made me think Kill Bill... it almost seems like there are too many details.. I dunno.. or to even type it all out.

Date: 2009-06-20 01:48 am (UTC)

Even if this is an urban legend....

Date: 2009-06-20 09:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gtonizuka.livejournal.com
...it still deserves confirmation either way, to deal with it. Do we just blow this off since "It's an urban legend about a trans person; why do we even care", or do we investigate it and see what the truth is?It's not as if it's impossible for something this disgusting to happen, and considering the very real cases of Matthew Shepard, Gwen Araujo, and Brandon Teena, this is something that should be verfied, because it's either a)a tragedy that needs to have the perpetrators prosecuted, or b)a hoax played by a sick individual who needs to be pointed out and ostracized for suggesting that something like this is worthy of making light of.

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